Will Obama be Deported as Illegal Alien? Lawsuit Brewing, Based on Police Finding of Forged Documents

Will Obama be Deported as Illegal Alien? Lawsuit Brewing, Based on Police Finding of Forged Documents

This sounds shocking and sensational, but this is a possibility if the rule of law prevails.  AUN-TV has found out from sources familiar with a brewing lawsuit, that a well-known legal figure is seeking the deportation of Obama.

Due to news censorship most Americans are completely unaware that a major law enforcement agency determined after a 2,200 hour investigation that both Obama’s birth certificate and draft card were “poor amateur forgeries.”

It should be noted that just because Obama’s BC and DC have been determined to be forgeries and the fact he fails official E-Verify and Social Security checks, as you will see below, does not mean he is an illegal alien.  It does not mean he was born outside of the USA.  It means multiple felonies have been committed and his documents mimic those typical of an illegal alien.  It is AUN-TV’s opinion that the reason this brewing lawsuit will be filed is to force Obama to explain why he provided the forged documents.  It will also create legal problems for those involved in the forgeries and provide the legal basis for the impeachment of Obama.  We urge people to keep an open mind and look at the evidence. The video below of Sheriff Joe Arpaio making the case that anyone else would have been arrested by now for forgery, is compelling.

Due to news censorship almost all Americans are unaware that the draft card Obama supplied as proof that he did register for the draft, as required by law, is even an issue.   On March 1, 2012 the Maricopa County (Arizona) Sheriff’s Department gave a press conference in which it was revealed, after 2,200 hours of investigation, that both Obama’s draft card and his birth certificate were poor amateur forgeries.

 

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AUN-TV is providing the link so you can read the complete press release here: http://www.mcso.org/MultiMedia/PressRelease/Sheriffreleasesobamafindings.pdf 

The same day a press conference was held for over an hour by Sheriff Arpaio and Lead Investigator Mike Zullo, with about 100 reporters in attendance. How was this sensational press conference handled by the news media?  It was not handled.  It was censored.   There was a news black out.

The evidence was so clear cut that it appears the vast majority of news companies felt it was impossible to reveal the evidence to the public without the majority of the public believing that Obama had committed a felony by supplying a forged birth certificate and draft card.

So the only way to handle the story, from what they see as their real job, was to censor it.  An example of how easy forgery was proven in this case is that the headline photo in this article shows the post office stamp on five real draft cards from Hawaii in 1980, the same year Obama claims his draft card was issued.  Below that is an enlargement of the Obama supplied, forged draft card, that has just a malformed “80” and no “19”.   The post office stamp is how draft cards are officially authenticated.

All post office stamps use four digits, not two.   Not only that, the police investigation determined that Obama’s “80” was a 2008 stamp that had been cut in half with a razor blade, and then turned upside down. The “8” has a bottom slightly different than the top, and was misplaced too, on Obama’s card.

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The next photo shows how Obama’s draft card was forged.

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It is because of the evidence revealed by this official police investigation and other evidence that has come forth, that a well-known lawyer is planning to file a lawsuit to have him deported.    If anyone else supplied a birth certificate and draft card similar to Obama’s, he would be arrested for forgery and deported.   The only reason that has not happened?  Most likely because Obama is in a position to stop investigations and the news media’s willingness to censor this story.  Sheriff Arpaio said himself  in a video interview with Rusty Humphries that anyone else would have been arrested.  You can view that below.

Separate from the planned lawsuit, Sheriff Joe Arpaio has made it clear that he is not giving up on this case despite the censorship, which he refers to as a “news blackout”.   He is looking into calling a Grand Jury to issue an indictment.

All politicians claim to be in favor of E-verify, to prevent illegal aliens from being hired.  Does Obama pass E-verify?  No he does not, and even after being President for six years the E-Verify system of his administration indicates that Barack Obama is an illegal alien.  You can verify this yourself using the self verify feature on the government site.   His Social Security number does not verify in E-verify, which means he could not get a job at McDonalds or any business that follows the law.  We have included a video about this below.

 

The Social Security number of President Obama is known because when he released his income tax return his SS# was incompetently redacted from it. The redaction was done as a separate layer that was easily removed, revealing he used 042-68-4425 as his Social Security number.  Does this sound familiar?   Yes, for the same reason the police investigation labeled Obama’s birth certificate a “poor amateur forgery”, the fact it was released with separate image layers intact, showing it had been manufactured, is how Obama released his tax return.  In the case of the tax form, it is legitimate, but he or his people incompetently redacted his SS# the exact same way they incompetently forged his birth certificate, by providing the PDF file with the “layers” intact.  To non-techies that is the same as putting masking tape over sensitive info in a document, then sending  it to the Press, instead of sending a photocopy which would make it impossible to see under the tape.  The technical incompetence of both the forged birth certificate and the legit tax return redaction, is rather amazing.

First, is Obama’s Social Security number legitimate?  Has he used it before?

He has used it before. Thanks to the work of Jerome Corsi, and others, we know Obama used 042-68-4425 for the Selective Service (draft), or possibly it is more accurate to say since the draft card is a proven forgery, that 042-68-4425 has been entered into Selective Service database for Obama.  It is thanks to the automation of records and the internet that we can access this info that could have been blocked by corrupt politicians 50 years ago.    Here is the verification of that:

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So the Federal Government says Obama used 042-68-4425  on his draft card and we know he uses it on his tax returns.   The next question,  is it a legitimate Social Security number?  Again there is a way to find out, through a federal website.  The answer is that Obama is using a SS# that the government says is illegitimate, it FAILED, here is that screen: 

 

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On a “sensitive” investigation such as this, it is good that the evidence is so clear-cut.   What have we learned looking into this case?

1. That although there may or may not be a legitimate birth certificate for Obama somewhere, the one he supplied after years of hiding it at great legal cost (millions), is officially determined to be a poor amateur forgery.

2. That the Draft Card Obama has released is also a poor amateur forgery, and how it was forged from a 2008 postal stamp to fake a 1980 stamp.

3. That according to the Federal Government, Obama’s Social Security number is a fake.

4. That Obama used that same fake Social Security number on his taxes and for the Selective Service database.

5. As Sheriff Arpaio has said, anyone else would have been arrested for using forged documents in this case, but Obama has not.

6. Almost all news companies in America are censoring this evidence from the American people.

 

We have learned that it is the above information, and possibly more, that will be used in the lawsuit.

Of the six conclusions above, only one could be in dispute and that is the findings of the 2,200 hour police investigation by the Maricopa Sheriff’s Office.  If Sheriff Arpaio and the many investigators conspired together to “frame” Obama, which would require them all to commit felonies, that would put the forgery issue in question.  However the evidence is public and indeed does indicate forgery.

In terms of news censorship there is no question.  The news media is totally aware of the report and news conference in 2012 by the Maricopa County Sheriff’s Office. They were there.  So one does not even have to take a position on the forgery issue.  Either President Obama has supplied forged documents, which is multiple felonies and would require him to be impeached, or Sheriff Arpaio and about 10 law enforcement officers and lawyers, parties to the investigation, have committed multiple felonies in a rather massive conspiracy to frame Obama.   Those are the only two choices.   You decide why they are censoring this and which of the two parties they are protecting.

For the vast majority of news companies to censor this information from the American people is inexcusable.   AUN-TV’s Mission Statement makes it clear we have to report this story.

Below we are making available a video of the entire 80 minute Press Conference by the MCSO and their PDF report on the forgery of Obama’s documents.

UPDATE: 9pm pst 10-2-2014:  AS PREDICTED BY AUN-TV,  Deportation Petition Filed Against Obama by Freedom Watch’s Larry Klayman

 

 

http://www.mcso.org/PressRelease/ObamaForgeryREPORT.pdf

The complete 80 minute Maricopa County Sherriff’s Office Video Press Conference:

  1. It is amazing that the draft card is not even talked about. It clearly is forged.

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    • Obama never posted his draft card or had it put online. So, if it is forged, the logical person to look to as the forger is the guy who put it online, a birther.

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      • Ellen, You said “Obama never posted his draft card or had it put online. So, if it is forged, the logical person to look to as the forger is the guy who put it online, a birther.”

        The source of the Draft Card is known, it is the Obama Admistration. Draft Cards are public documents, a FOIA request was made and Obama’s people provided the forged Draft card.

        Suggest thinking this through. If the source was not the Government, Arpaio would not talk over and over about “government documents” and Obama would immediately point out the source was not him, and Obama is duty bound to arrest someone that is forging draft cards and claiming they belong to Obama or anyone else.

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        • Re: “The source of the Draft Card is known, it is the Obama Admistration. Draft Cards are public documents, a FOIA request was made and Obama’s people provided the forged Draft card.”

          Actually it was back during the BUSH ADMINISTRATION, and we only know about the alleged FOIA request from the birther who did the posting. Also, if she or he HAD gotten the draft card from the SS Administration using the FOIA, there was STILL opportunity to fool around with the birth certificate before posting it, making it look like a forgery.

          But, it is important to stress that the guy who got it did NOT get it from the Obama Administration (and could not have, since it was published before the 2008 election). So Obama could not have had anything to do with it at all. Neither by forging it before it was given to the guy who posted it, nor fooling around with it before it was put online.

          Who had the opportunity to (1) claim that she or he got it from the SS Administration but did not; (2) get something from the SS Administration but use something else; (3) fool around with what ever they did get from the SS Administration before they put it online?

          The answer to all of those things is the person who posted it—and that was not Obama.

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        • Re: ” Obama is duty bound to arrest someone that is forging draft cards and claiming they belong to Obama or anyone else.”

          Answer: I’m not sure what the penalty is for forging a Web image of a draft card, not the card itself. I cannot recall someone ever being accused of forging a draft card—though they were forged rather frequently in the 60’s and 70’s so that underage males could use them to get drinks.

          Still, if you really want Obama to direct the Justice Department to prosecute this evil doer, why not write him a nice letter and suggest it.

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          • Hi Ellen,

            I know where the draft card came from. And knew over a year ago.

            Have been waiting days for you to commit more and more to the narrative someone else forged it. You see it is so clear it is forged you moved to claiming it was someone else. And indeed you are right, it is clearly forged.

            The source of the forged draft card is Obama’s Selective Service, from a FOIA request. The SS or draft board did not create it. They got it from Obama. It will be in a future article.

            If you are a truth seeker, which you may be, now you know who forged the document you have accepted as forged. How are you going to deal with this info. Are you going to let Obama get away with it?

          • Re: “The source of the forged draft card is Obama’s Selective Service, from a FOIA request. ”

            Once again, the guy who got it CLAIMED to have gotten it from the Selective Services Administration, no confirmation of that.

            And the guy who put it online had ample time to fool around with it before putting it online. So, if the SS card were forged, the fellow who put it online is the likely culprit. Not Obama. He neither gave the SS card to the fellow who put it online nor is it the slightest bit credible that Obama created the forged card and slipped it into the files of the SS Administration back during the Bush Administration.

            So, once again, if the SS card is forged, the fellow who put it online is the likely culprit.

          • Ellen, think it through. That is a felony. He provides the letter from the SS and the document they sent him, with his name and everything. He would be arrested the same day, unless it is legit. FOIAs are traceable.

            Arpaio and team spent 2,200 hours on this, you know they verified that letter and draft card came from government.

          • Re draft card.

            Obama did not post it, a birther did. The birther MAY have gotten it under a FOIA Act request, but he still had the opportunity to fool around with it before putting it online. He or she had the means motive and opportunity to fool with the SS card or forge it. Obama didn’t. In order for Obama to have forged his draft card, he would have had to have done so and slipped it into the files of the Selective Service Administration back when Bush was president and Obama was only a junior senator from Hawaii.

            As for Sheriff Joe being truthful. He’s not, and the National Review laughs at him, and former employees of the Sheriff’s office and of the Cold Case Posse have been revealing that he never had an investigation at all.

  2. Considering all the times that Obama and Holder have gone after Arizona, Maricopa County and Sheriff Joe in court, isn’t it shocking Hussein has not sued for defamation? That alone should tell you the accusations are true.

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  3. Considering all the lawsuits filed by Obama and his lackey Holder, isn’t it puzzling that they haven’t sued Sheriff Joe for defamation? The only explanation is it must be true.

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  4. So totally amused by this. There is no better example of how ignorant and gullible birthers can be. A simple ten second internet search would reveal that the only party able to file a deportation matter before an immigration judge is an attorney from the Executive Office for Immigration Review in the U.S. Department of Justice. The idea that any private attorney can just file a civil lawsuit to have someone deprived of their right to be here and deported is just plain silly. Where do you people find this nonsense?

    As to evidence of “forgery,” the Maricopa County Prosecutor advised Sheriff Arpaio his “evidence” was idle speculation two years ago, which explains why criminal charges of “forgery” have never been filed.

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    • Maricopa County Sheriff Arpaio has presented the evidence to the proper authority in the Federal Government as a case of forged documents. Sheriffs can not indite criminals only submit the evidence requesting and indictment.

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      • Don, no, he hasn’t. Sheriffs don’t file charges, only a criminal prosecutor has the authority to file charges. In fact, after three years, the so-called cold case posse “investigation” hasn’t resulted in a single warrant, subpoena, public records request or criminal charge. The document and videos in this article are from March, 2012. It’s going nowhere fast.

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    • And yet, the documents are false.

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      • No they are not false. Birthers just keep claiming that—(I wonder why??)

        With the single exception of Reed Hayes, who has not proven his expertise in examining digital documents (he is a specialist in documents on paper, and he has not seen the paper copies) and who admits he has not seen the research on the way that the Xerox WorkCentre works, ONLY birther “experts” have called Obama’s birth certificate forged. And they have not shown that they are even experts, much less fair and impartial. Those are two reasons why they are not believed by Ann Coulter, Glenn Beck or the National Review (or by Mitt Romney or Paul Ryan or Gingrich or Santorum or Huckabee).

        One proof that Obama’s birth certificate is not forged is Obama’s short-form birth certificate.

        Short-form birth certificates are created by a clerk reading the information from the document in the file, and filling out the computer form that generates the printed short-form birth certificate. The officials in Hawaii have confirmed that they sent a short-form to Obama. So, unless they are lying—and they were Republican officials–the only way that Obama’s birth certificate could have been forged was that it was forged in 2007 and slipped into the file just before the clerk looked at the file. That is not very likely, is it? And it is especially unlikely since at the time Obama was not even the candidate of the Democrats. He was still in the primaries at the time, and he was only a junior senator from Illinois.

        And birther sites have not shown you these real experts.

        Dr. Neil Krawetz, an imaging software analysis author and experienced examiner of questioned images, said:“The PDF released by the White House shows no sign of digital manipulation or alterations. I see nothing that appears to be suspicious.”

        Nathan Goulding with The National Review: “We have received several e-mails today calling into question the validity of the PDF that the White House released, namely that there are embedded layers in the document. There are now several other people on the case. We looked into it and dismissed it.… I’ve confirmed that scanning an image, converting it to a PDF, optimizing that PDF, and then opening it up in Illustrator, does in fact create layers similar to what is seen in the birth certificate PDF. You can try it yourself at home.”

        John Woodman, independent computer professional, who is a member of the Tea Party (who says that he hates Obama’s policies but found no evidence of forgery) said repeatedly in his book and in various articles on his Web site that the claims that Obama’s birth certificate was forged were unfounded.

        Ivan Zatkovich, who has testified in court as a technology expert, and consultant to WorldNetDaily: “All of the modifications to the PDF document that can be identified are consistent with someone enhancing the legibility of the document.” And, by the way, when WND received Zatkovich’s article that said that he found nothing wrong with Obama’s birth certificate, WordNDaily simply did not publish it.

        Jean-Claude Tremblay, a leading software trainer and Adobe-certified expert, who has years of experience working with and teaching Adobe Illustrator, said the layers cited by doubters are evidence of the use of common, off-the-shelf scanning software — not evidence of a forgery.“I have seen a lot of illustrator documents that come from photos and contain those kind of clippings—and it looks exactly like this,” he said.

        Birthers’ claim that Obama’s birth certificate is false is well understood to be caused by their own motives—they hate Obama and would like to harm him.

        And it is irrational (to say the very least) to think that Obama’s relatives had enough money (Obama’s grandfather was just a furniture salesman and his grandmother a low-level employee in a bank at the time; and his father came to Hawaii on a free flight) or crazy enough to spend LOTS of money on a long and expensive and risky (incidents of stillbirths were high at the time) overseas trip for their pregnant daughter—–when there were perfectly good hospitals in Honolulu, Hawaii.

        Also, the government of Kenya has said that it investigated the “born in Kenya” claim, and that it did not happen.

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        • Ellen, First of all to tell the Draft Card is forged does not require expertise. Give us a link to any postmark on any draft card or letter that in missing the first two of four digit year. There are none, except Obama’s forged Draft Card. Check your own mail.

          Second I happen to be a document imaging expert with 7 patents in the field. Obama released a PDF of the BC. I knew the PDF format was coming before Adobe announced it, Adobe was licensing my companies imaging technology at the time. In fact was a pioneer in some ways of the document imaging industry, on many of the standards committees. Was the initial driving force that created the TWAIN 1.7 scanner driver standard.

          Before Arpaio officially declared the BC a forgery, experts in the field knew it. In fact within hour of release. It would have taken seconds to have released it as an average forgery in one layer, but by releasing it with layers intact it is a poor amateur forgery, just as Arpaio Investigation said. We await a postmark from you that looks like Obama’s with just two years.

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          • Re: “Ellen, First of all to tell the Draft Card is forged does not require expertise. Give us a link to any postmark on any draft card or letter that in missing the first two of four digit year. There are none, except Obama’s forged Draft Card. Check your own mail.”

            Answer: Obama DID NOT HAVE HIS DRAFT CARD PUT ONLINE. So, if the image of the draft card is forged, the logical person who had the opportunity to do so before putting it online was the birther who put it online—(I wonder why a birther would do that???)

            Now as the nutty claim that Obama’s birth certificate is forged. No rational person believes it because (1) birthers have the motive to LIE; (2) they have done so many times in the past—in particular when they claimed that Obama’s Kenyan grandmother said he was born in Kenya when she ACTUALLY said he was born IN HAWAII, and then they cut off the tape recordings on their sites just before she said: “In Hawaii, where his father was studying at the time” so that people could not hear for themselves (I wonder why they did that?); (3) birther sites have not show their readers all, or any, of the real experts who have said that Obama’s birth certificate is NOT forged (Now, I wonder why they didn’t do that??)

            Dr. Neil Krawetz, an imaging software analysis author and experienced examiner of questioned images, said:“The PDF released by the White House shows no sign of digital manipulation or alterations. I see nothing that appears to be suspicious.”

            Nathan Goulding with The National Review: “We have received several e-mails today calling into question the validity of the PDF that the White House released, namely that there are embedded layers in the document. There are now several other people on the case. We looked into it and dismissed it.… I’ve confirmed that scanning an image, converting it to a PDF, optimizing that PDF, and then opening it up in Illustrator, does in fact create layers similar to what is seen in the birth certificate PDF. You can try it yourself at home.”

            John Woodman, independent computer professional, who is a member of the Tea Party (who says that he hates Obama’s policies but found no evidence of forgery) said repeatedly in his book and in various articles on his Web site that the claims that Obama’s birth certificate was forged were unfounded.

            Ivan Zatkovich, who has testified in court as a technology expert, and consultant to WorldNetDaily: “All of the modifications to the PDF document that can be identified are consistent with someone enhancing the legibility of the document.” And, by the way, when WND received Zatkovich’s article that said that he found nothing wrong with Obama’s birth certificate, WordNDaily simply did not publish it.

            Jean-Claude Tremblay, a leading software trainer and Adobe-certified expert, who has years of experience working with and teaching Adobe Illustrator, said the layers cited by doubters are evidence of the use of common, off-the-shelf scanning software — not evidence of a forgery.“I have seen a lot of illustrator documents that come from photos and contain those kind of clippings—and it looks exactly like this,” he said.

            In addition to all those real experts that the birthers did not show (one of which showed that layers are normal when complex documents are scanned, put into pdf and opened with Adobe Illustrator), the birthers have never come close to explaining this:

            http://www.obamaconspiracy.org/2013/11/blogger-shows-obama-birth-certificate-artifacts-caused-by-xerox-machine-no-joy-in-birtherville/

            Moreover, in three separate official documents the officials of Hawaii have confirmed that the facts on Obama’s long form birth certificate that the White House put online MATCH the facts on what they sent to him.

            http://www.obamaconspiracy.org/2013/01/heres-the-birth-certificate/ (Look for the words MATCH and MATCHES on the three Verifications of Birth.) (It is nutty, you know, to imagine that someone would have a document forged in which all the facts are exactly the same as what was sent to him.)

  5. Silence in the face of evil is evil itself.
    We have met the enemy…IT R US!
    Our apathy and ambivalence as history repeats itself is the cold reality of America’s suicide.
    3%ers made this country and 3%ers can Save Our American Republic.
    We have taxation without representation…sound familiar?!
    Don’t restore the Constitution…ENFORCE THE CONTRACT/CONSTITUTION!
    Enact THE LAW OF AGENCY- States are the Principal fed is the agent.
    Over 70% of feds acts and agencies are not part of the delegated CONTRACT/CONSTITUTION.
    May JEHOVAH have mercy upon us and strengthen, guide and protect the
    3%ers Bravehearts in HIS Love and Service.

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  6. alg, What is amazing is there is still people like you still drinking the obama Kool Aid . Facts be damed , you idiots prefer to be lied to then to hear the truth about this fraud and usurper barack hussein obama . We are not the ones living in a make believe world . You and the rest of the Obots chose to ignore facts that have been proven by a legal law enforcement agency from Arizona and not from some blogger on the internet . But just go ahead and keep you heads firmly planted in the sand the truth will come out regardless of you bind elegance to the fraud and usurper barack hussein obama .

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    • Of course they will still keep their heads buried in the sand! Some will back Kenya Boy regardless of the facts because they put politics before truth as taught by the former democrats (now socialists).

      Too bad they can’t see what a target they present or at least a place for the mourner to park his bicycle!

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    • Charles, it’s not abut drinking Kool Aid. I am not a fan of Mr. Obama. But you are tilting at windmills if you think this birth certificate nonsense is going to go anywhere.

      His birth certificate has not been proven to be a “forgery” by a legal law enforcement agency.

      First of all, the Cold Case Posse is not a “legal law enforcement agency.” It’s a non-profit 501(c)(3). Neither the Posse, nor Mike Zullo hold law enforcement powers.

      Something can only be proven to be a “forgery” in a criminal court of law by a jury of one’s peers. Absent due process of law one is presumed innocent until proven guilty. At no time during the past years has any criminal prosecutor ever found reasonable cause to even file charges, much less actually conduct a trial.

      And virtually all of the 200+ civil cases filed – where the standard of evidence is less – have resulted in summary dismissals.

      You are living in a pipe dream if you think that’s going to change.

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      • If the rule of law applied, it would not be tolerated. As Arpaio says, everyone is afraid of it, it has nothing to do with the facts. It is all about fear.

        Alg, email in to us a letter you have postmarked with just 2 digits for the year. All postmarks have 4 digits. It is a forgery and everyone knows it is. The emperor has no clothes.

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        • Dana, the reason no one will touch it is because everyone but a handful of nut jobs knows it’s nonsense.

          As for Obama’s Selective Service registration card keep in mind the document was actually produced by the Selective Service itself from their own files where it has been sitting for decades. The Selective Service is on record in a letter to Sheriff Arpaio that the card is real and authentic. A faulty postmark on an authentic document isn’t evidence of a forgery and a claim to such effect would be laughed out of court.

          As for Mr. Obama’s Hawaiian birth certificate – since it is technically the State of Hawaii’s document only the State of Hawaii has jurisdiction and standing to confirm it’s a forgery. Instead the State of Hawaii has officially and legally verified on three separate occasions that the President’s LFBC posted online at Whitehouse.gov is both authentic and accurate. If the State of Hawaii says the document is real, you have no case and can expect to get laughed out of court.

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          • Wrong. The nature of the selective service postmark dates are exactly what are used to determine if there has been document fraud. In this case, it is clear in multiple ways that the document is fraudulently dated. Not only iare there only two digits, but the “8” is far too close to the security circle.

            Then there are the anomalies on the draft card record where a ten digit number is turned into an 11 digit number to give the false appearance that the form was from 1980 rather than 2008.

          • Kelley said: “The nature of the selective service postmark dates are exactly what are used to determine if there has been document fraud.”

            Once again, Obama DID NOT have his selective service card posted. A birther did it, and CLAIMED to have gotten it from the Selective Services Administration. Well, if she or he did, there was STILL time and opportunity to fool around with it before putting it online to make it seem forged, and if they didn’t, then the person who put it online forged it. But Obama didn’t because he did not have it put online.

      • Somewhere in the Bible it says that “your sins will find you out”. I think that this will go all the way to arrest or in the alternative resignation and deportation.

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    • Sheriff Joe has lied in the past and has the motive to keep on lying. Here are some of the facts:

      http://www.obamaconspiracy.org/bookmarks/fact-checking-and-debunking/the-debunkers-guide-to-obama-conspiracy-theories/

      http://arizonaspolitics.blogspot.com/2014/02/breaking-update-maricopa-county.html

      http://www.obamaconspiracy.org/2013/11/blogger-shows-obama-birth-certificate-artifacts-caused-by-xerox-machine-no-joy-in-birtherville/

      http://www.nationalreview.com/articles/292780/conspiracy-again-editors

      Here are the confirmations of the officials of BOTH parties in Hawaii, repeated confirmations (and by the way, the one to the secretary of state of Arizona, a conservative Republican, was ACCEPTED by the secretary of state of Arizona, who then put Obama on the ballot):

      http://www.obamaconspiracy.org/2013/01/heres-the-birth-certificate/

      Here is the confirmation by the former governor of Hawaii, Linda Lingle, a Republican (and a friend of Sarah Palin’s), that says that Obama was born in Hawaii, in Kapiolani Hospital:

      http://voices.washingtonpost.com/right-now/2010/05/hawaii_gov_lingle_answers_the.html

      Here is the statement of the teacher who wrote home to her father, named Stanley, after being told of birth in Hawaii, in Kapiolani Hospital, of a child to a woman named Stanley:

      http://web.archive.org/web/20110722055908/http://mysite.ncnetwork.net/res10o2yg/obama/Teacher%20from%20Kenmore%20recalls%20Obama%20was%20a%20focused%20student%20%20Don%27t%20Miss%20%20The%20Buffalo%20News.htm

      Here are the birth notices of Obama’s birth in the Hawaii newspapers in 1961:

      http://whatreallyhappened.com/WRHARTICLES/obamabirth.php

      (And as you can see the section of the paper is called “Health Bureau Statistics”. Well, as the name indicates, and as both the papers and the DOH confirm, ONLY the DOH could send notices to that section of the paper, and it only did so for births IN Hawaii.)

      Here is the Index Data file:

      http://www.cleveland.com/nation/index.ssf/2011/04/in_hawaii_its_easy_to_get_birt.html

      Birther sites have not even shown that Obama’s mother had a passport in 1961, and it would have been rare for her to have one since so few 18-year-olds did in that year. And EXTREMELY few women traveled abroad late in pregnancy in 1961 (and she would have had to have traveled late in pregnancy since she was attending college for most of the year) because of the risk of stillbirths. Yet birthers hope to convince a few GULLIBLE people to assume that she was one of the few 18-year-olds to have a passport and one of the EXTREMELY few women to travel abroad late in pregnancy, and that Obama’s birth certificate is forged AND the officials of BOTH parties are lying about it AND so is the Index Data AND so are the birth notices AND so is the teacher who wrote home to her father, named Stanley, after hearing of the birth in Hawaii of a child to a woman named Stanley, and BTW, Kapionani Hospital has now confirmed Obama was born there–in fact it has done so TWICE (birther sites did not show either of them).

      And BTW, birther sites LIED about the Kenyan grandmother. She never said that Obama was born in Kenya. She said that he was born in Hawaii repeatedly. Birther sites simply did not quote her and cut off the tape recording on their sites just BEFORE she was asked where he was born (I wonder why they did that??) Her answer to the question where Obama was born was “In Hawaii, where his father was studying at the time.” (But birther sites refused to quote her and cut off the tape that included her statement.)

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  7. Kenyan Gov Officials, African Newspapers, Obama 1991 Bio, Barry Obama, Obama Family Members, and other Accounts Reporting Obama is Kenyan Born: https://www.scribd.com/collections/3248475/

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    • Yes, however there is also no indication that Barrack Obama Sr. and Obama’s mother Stanley ever met each other until after the “divorce”, there is not one picture of them together before the divorce. Seniors best friends in college at the time Jr. was born said they never met Stanley or even knew he was married. The two never had the same address. So it is s stretch to think Stanley went to Kenya and had a baby there with senior. It is Obama that has tried to make people think that, as your evidence indicates.

      The key is the forged documents, that has been proved by Arpaio. If news censorships ends on the forged documents everything unravels, hence the censorship. Thank you for your comment.

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    • The “born in Kenya” story is the height of the loony side of the birther movement. It is based on alleged birth certificates, like that of Lucas D. Smith, and falsifications––such as the claim that Obama’s Kenyan grandmother said that he was born in Kenya—-when she actually said right on the same tape that he was born IN HAWAII, and she said in another interview that the first that her family in Kenya had heard of Obama’s birth was in a letter FROM HAWAII.

      Lucas D. Smith claimed that he went to Kenya and got Obama’s birth certificate at a hospital in Mombasa. But Lucas D. Smith has constantly refused to show proof that he, Smith, had ever gone to Kenya. All that he would have to do would be to show a Kenya stamp on a page of a passport, but Lucas D. Smith has refused to do that, constantly, and he has also constantly refused to say why he will not show that proof.

      Laying aside for a moment the overwhelming proof that Obama was born in Hawaii, the evidence that Obama was NOT born in Kenya is also very strong. There were a grand total of 21 people who came to the USA from Kenya in 1961. Of these only seven were US citizens. And the birther myth has always been that Obama’s parents went there and returned by plane. However, only one person came to the USA from Kenya in that year by plane and that person was, wait for it, NOT a US citizen.

      And Obama’s father did not go to Kenya in 1961 either (making it unlikely that his mother did, since travel late in pregnancy was rare, and even more rare without the husband going along). WND has proved with a FOI Act request that Obama senior stayed in Hawaii throughout 1961.

      And the Kenyan government investigated the “born in Kenya” story, and found that it was not true.

      “Jon Chessoni, a first secretary at the Kenyan Embassy in Washington, can’t understand why his office gets so many baseless questions about whether Barack Obama was born in Kenya.

      “It’s madness,” said Chessoni on Monday.“His father, in 1961, would not even have been in Kenya. When this matter first came up, the Kenyan government did its research and confirmed that these are all baseless claims.””

      http://washingtonindependent.com/53654/forged

      Moreover, there were only 21 people TOTAL who came to the USA from Kenya in 1961, and of them all but one came by ship—and there were no regular ships from Kenya to Hawaii at the time, making the alleged trip by Obama and his mother most unlikely, to say the least.

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  8. All you need to know about this forgery can be found here. Congress is aware!

    http://wheresobamasbirthcertificate.com

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  9. As an 82 year old American, I am outraged by this fraud in the White House. I cannot believe that do not have an uprising to oust him out.

    I would appreciate any and all information sent to me.

    I am a great admirer of Sheriff Joe Arpaio

    Thank You

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  10. I think I can safely say that it shall be very interesting to see what laws are used and enforced. Consider 18 U.S.C. Section 1001. But then again, who knows what courts shall do that do not comply with the Constitution, likewise with prosecutors, not to mention various deals behind the scenes, without end. We see it time and time again.

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  11. ALG, when you have to use pejoratives like “birther” and “nut job”, you have (at best) a very weak case for your arguments. If officials like Arpaio, Zullo and others are making the case that they are and publicly documenting it, they risk potential indictments and prosecutions for presenting fraud as the gospel. Seriously, do you think they would risk their reputations and careers doing so? Lord knows they probably don’t relish knowing that there are guys like you ridiculing them for their work. Plus spending literally thousands of hours (but not tax dollars) in meticulously combing Obola’s records and finding what they do, come on!

    One more thing. Know the name of Reed Hayes? You should. He is said to be a certified document expert who has examined many of Obola’s questionable (at best) documents and found them to be bogus. The name should be noted as he is a Democrat and works for the Robert Bauer law firm, one of Obola’s lead attorneys in all the legal challenges regarding his all but certain bogus constitutional eligibility.

    If, as you say, you’re not a friend of Obola, why are you going out of your way to defend him? The man is a serial liar on so many counts (“the border is secure”, Obamacare is working, “the economy is roaring back”, ISIS does not represent Islam. I could go on and on. If he can’t tell the truth on these and other items, seriously, why would he tell the truth about his birth certificate & eligibility?

    Try thinking more intuitively and logically, rather than citing talking points which are dubious at best.

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  12. With the single exception of Reed Hayes, who has not proven his expertise in examining digital documents (he is a specialist in documents on paper, and he has not seen the paper copies) and who admits he has not seen the research on the way that the Xerox WorkCentre works, ONLY birther “experts” have called Obama’s birth certificate forged. And they have not shown that they are even experts, much less fair and impartial. Those are two reasons why they are not believed by Ann Coulter, Glenn Beck or the National Review (or by Mitt Romney or Paul Ryan or Gingrich or Santorum or Huckabee). And, BTW, the Cold Case Posse has never published Reed Hayes alleged 40-page report. The probable reason is that it really does NOT say what they claim it says.

    Moreover, ONE of many proofs that Obama’s birth certificate is not forged is Obama’s short-form birth certificate:

    Short-form birth certificates are created by a clerk reading the information from the document in the file, and filling out the computer form that generates the printed short-form birth certificate. The officials in Hawaii have confirmed that they sent a short-form to Obama. So, unless they are lying—and they were Republican officials–the only way that Obama’s birth certificate could have been forged was that it was forged in 2007 and slipped into the file just before the clerk looked at the file. That is not very likely, is it? And it is especially unlikely since at the time Obama was not even the candidate of the Democrats. He was still in the primaries at the time, and he was only a junior senator from Illinois.

    And birther sites have not shown you these real experts.

    Dr. Neil Krawetz, an imaging software analysis author and experienced examiner of questioned images, said:“The PDF released by the White House shows no sign of digital manipulation or alterations. I see nothing that appears to be suspicious.”

    Nathan Goulding with The National Review: “We have received several e-mails today calling into question the validity of the PDF that the White House released, namely that there are embedded layers in the document. There are now several other people on the case. We looked into it and dismissed it.… I’ve confirmed that scanning an image, converting it to a PDF, optimizing that PDF, and then opening it up in Illustrator, does in fact create layers similar to what is seen in the birth certificate PDF. You can try it yourself at home.”

    John Woodman, independent computer professional, who is a member of the Tea Party (who says that he hates Obama’s policies but found no evidence of forgery) said repeatedly in his book and in various articles on his Web site that the claims that Obama’s birth certificate was forged were unfounded.

    Ivan Zatkovich, who has testified in court as a technology expert, and consultant to WorldNetDaily: “All of the modifications to the PDF document that can be identified are consistent with someone enhancing the legibility of the document.” And, by the way, when WND received Zatkovich’s article that said that he found nothing wrong with Obama’s birth certificate, WordNDaily simply did not publish it.

    Jean-Claude Tremblay, a leading software trainer and Adobe-certified expert, who has years of experience working with and teaching Adobe Illustrator, said the layers cited by doubters are evidence of the use of common, off-the-shelf scanning software — not evidence of a forgery.“I have seen a lot of illustrator documents that come from photos and contain those kind of clippings—and it looks exactly like this,” he said.

    Birthers’ claim that Obama’s birth certificate is false is well understood to be caused by their own motives—they hate Obama and would like to harm him.

    And it is irrational (to say the very least) to think that Obama’s relatives had enough money (Obama’s grandfather was just a furniture salesman and his grandmother a low-level employee in a bank at the time; and his father came to Hawaii on a free flight) or crazy enough to spend LOTS of money on a long and expensive and risky (incidents of stillbirths were high at the time) overseas trip for their pregnant daughter—–when there were perfectly good hospitals in Honolulu, Hawaii.

    Also, the government of Kenya has said that it investigated the “born in Kenya” claim, and that it did not happen.

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  13. Hi Ellen, Tell us about yourself. You have put a lot of time into commenting here and doing research on this subject. Just curious as to why. AUN-TV is an uncensored news format. We will censor bad language and cruelty, because we want the site to be safe for children and a friendly place for discussion. But ideas, facts and opinions are not censored. You have in no way used bad language or been cruel. You are most welcome here. Appreciate the research you have done.

    Are you in anyway compensated for posted, or have a vested interest. If so you are still welcome.
    – If you did not notice my response yet, I happen to be a document imaging expert.

    Have you ever seen a postmark with only two digits for year? Please look into that and let us know what you find.

    The last person you mentioned Jean-Claude Tremblay has gone on the record to say he never said what others like Fox news claim he said. I have verified that on Tremblay’s website. There is a lot of planted disinformation out there. This is probably the number one censored story of 2012 and is still being censored.

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    • I’m not paid.

      Tremblay was just one of the many experts who have confirmed that Obama’s birth certificate is not forged. I have shown the others, and birthers have not answered this:

      http://www.obamaconspiracy.org/2013/11/blogger-shows-obama-birth-certificate-artifacts-caused-by-xerox-machine-no-joy-in-birtherville/

      NOR did they show their readers any of the three Verifications of Birth that the officials of Hawaii sent to officials confirming the facts on the published image of Obama’s birth certificate MATCHED (see the use of that word in the Verifications) the facts on what they sent to him:

      http://www.obamaconspiracy.org/2013/01/heres-the-birth-certificate/

      It is birther sites that censor the news, one example being their not reporting on the above. Another is that they did not report this:

      http://voices.washingtonpost.com/right-now/2010/05/hawaii_gov_lingle_answers_the.html

      Or this:

      http://washingtonindependent.com/53654/forged

      Or even this:

      http://www.obamaconspiracy.org/2011/04/kapiol

      And they did not explain to their readers that ONLY the DOH of Hawaii (which was called “the Health Bureau” at the time, could post notices in the “Health Bureau Statistics” section of the newspapers, and that in 1961 it only sent out those notices for births IN Hawaii.

      http://whatreallyhappened.com/WRHARTICLES/obamabirth.php

      Moreover, birther sites LIED when they said that Obama’s Kenyan grandmother (step-grandmother actually) said that Obama was born in Kenya. She really said repeatedly in the taped telephone interview that Obama WAS BORN IN HAWAII. Birther sites simply cut off the tape recordings of the telephone call just before she as asked where he was born—to which she replied: “In Hawaii, where his father was studying at the time.” (Want to see the transcript of the call?) And they failed to tell their readers that there were two other interviews with Sarah Obama in one of which she said that the first that her family had heard of Obama’s birth was in a letter from Hawaii, and in the other she stated flatly that Obama was not born in Kenya.

      Talk about censorship.

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      • Hi Ellen, I see you answered the question. Normally when a poster is “approved” once, every post shows up immediately thereafter. Yours for some reason need to be manually approved. Will look into that abnormality.

        I do not use the term birther, am just hunting for the truth. This site has only written two stories ever about the Obama Forgery issue. We unlike many news sources do not “demonize” people if they have an opinion one way or another in regard to Obama’s birthplace or other matters. I do not know where Obama was born because there is not clear evidence as to where that was. Obama may not know. Many people do not know where or what day they were born. They guess at their own age.

        You answered you are not paid. Please tell us why this issue in important to you.

        Thanks again for your input.

        One more thing, are you a software person, do you have expertise yourself in document imaging?

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    • Re: “Have you ever seen a postmark with only two digits for year? Please look into that and let us know what you find.”

      Answer. My answer is above. I will repeat it to make it easier for you. The postmark was on Obama’s Selective Service card. But Obama did not post his Selective Service card. A birther did.

      So who do you think had the opportunity to fool around with the document before posting it (if the birther got it from the Selective Service at all). Or who do you think had the opportunity to forge it? Not Obama, he did not post it. The birther who put it online had the opportunity to fool around with the document or to forge it—and the motive to so as well.

      In addition to the forged Selective Service card, birthers have also shown three forged “Kenyan birth certificates” (what do you suppose their motive was for doing that—or for birther sites neglecting to tell their readers that one of the forgeries was done by a convicted felon, one of whose crimes was forgery, and that the fellow claimed to have gotten the document in Kenya–but has refused without ever giving an explanation to show proof that he had ever gone to Kenya.

      There have also been several forged videos in which Obama is supposed to have said “I was born in Kenya”—but you cannot see his mouth move, and one video in which Obama is being satirical in the Correspondents Club dinner in which everyone is supposed to make funny speeches (birther sites did not tell their readers that either). And there is this forgery:

      https://www.google.com/search?site=imghp&tbm=isch&source=hp&biw=1024&bih=615&q=obama%27s+columbia+university+student+ID&oq=obama%27s+columbia+university+student+ID&gs_l=img.12…1360.11370.0.14532.40.9.1.30.31.1.157.957.5j4.9.0….0…1ac.1.54.img..13.27.871.t-B_GYWW16w#facrc=_&imgdii=_&imgrc=NGugSGl4dRKJSM%253A%3BsQyJxh_NpMOCxM%3Bhttp%253A%252F%252Fwww.worldofdeception.com%252Fwp-content%252Fuploads%252F2013%252F10%252Ffalse-obama-id.jpg%3Bhttp%253A%252F%252Fwww.worldofdeception.com%252Fthe-false-id-card-of-barack-obama.html%3B500%3B317

      How do we know that that is a forgery? Answer: It is simple. Columbia has never issued a student ID in which foreign students are identified any differently than US students. THAT fact can be checked by anyone, by simply calling up Columbia, asking for the PR department, and ASKING. Here’s the number: 212-854-1754

      Getting back to the postmark. The answer is that Obama did not have his Selective Service card put online. So, if it were forged or fooled around with, Obama did not do it. The guy who put it online had the opportunity and the motive to do so.

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      • Well then, Obama or whatever President X is to be called these days, he will just have to say that under oath and possibly produce a copy of his DC.

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  14. Hi Ellen,

    Enjoy your posts. Thanks for your input. Often internet “discussion” totally ignores the facts and is name calling and worse. Its enjoyable to discuss things with you because you do mention facts and respond to info. I will give you the benefit of the doubt that you are sincere.

    On the “birther” issue I have not mentioned that once. The Arpaio Team said the Kenya BC was just as much a forgery as the BC Obama released. I always suspected the Kenyan BC was a plant by Obama because he is the one that has always pushed the Kenyan story, for what ever his reasons. So why do so many people believe that Obama was not born here? Its both bias and because Obama lies about so many things. If in the last 7 years one was to suspect Obama lied about everything, they would have been more right that those that think he tells the truth about everything.

    Again please tell us about yourself. This is a big deal for you. You have many hours of research in, maybe over 100. What is your motive? Are you being compensated?

    Most interested in finding out more about you.

    Cheers

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    • Re: “So why do so many people believe that Obama was not born here? ”

      Because some people are gullible enough to believe the birther lies of course. Still the birther movement has hardly been overwhelming. Birthers have been pushing it for five or six years, and still fewer Americans believe that Obama MIGHT have been born in a foreign country than those who actually DO believe in ghosts (and there are no sites pushing the existence of ghosts).

      http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/lifestyle/general_lifestyle/july_2014/have_we_got_a_conspiracy_for_you_9_11_jfk_obama_s_citizenship

      The above survey shows that 23% of Americans believe that Obama is not a US citizen, and 17% are unsure—40% all together.

      http://www.politifact.com/punditfact/statements/2014/may/04/kareem-abdul-jabbar/nba-legend-abdul-jabbar-more-whites-believe-ghosts/

      http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/02/02/real-ghosts-americans-poll_n_2049485.html

      The above poll shows that 45% of Americans believe in ghosts.

      BTW, there is little evidence that Obama ever pushed the “He was born in Kenya” myth. The first interview with him, when he was elected the first Black editor of the Harvard Law Review, in 199o, shows that he said that he was BORN IN HAWAII, and his book “Dreams from My Father” has the words in it that he was born IN HAWAII. A literary agent in 1991 wrote a bio that said that Obama was born in Kenya, but she has admitted to making that mistake and said that she did not get the information from Obama nor did she check what she wrote with him nor did she tell him when it was put online, so he did not know about it in order to fix it.

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      • Re: ” What is your motive? Are you being compensated?”

        NO, I am NOT being compensated. Are you? As for my motive—I used to argue with the “truthers” too, and with the folks who claimed that fluoride was a Communist plot and still further back with the Flat Earth Society. It amuses me to show the truth to proponents of nutty theories.

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      • Yes, it was that for years his primary method of income website said he was born in Kenya, plus he brings it up a lot, plus Michelle in speech said they were going to his homeland Kenya, plus he hid the BC at great cost for years, then after he got control of fed the overseas airline records disappeared only for the period he may have been born, etc., etc.

        Being for years his bio said he was born in Kenya, certainly someone would ask him.

        Why do I believe he was not born in Kenya? There is no evidence his official parents ever met each other, nevertheless married and had a child. They never lived at same address for one day and Senior’s best friends at the time never heard of a marriage nor met Stanley. No pictures nothing. Only a “divorce” and a meeting when Jr was 10 years old. Plus Jr does not look a all like Sr. Plus Obama says he was afraid to look into whether his “parents” ever married, “because afraid of what he might find out” in his book.

        It is a stretch to believe Stanley went to Kenya to have a baby.

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        • Dana Allen said: “Yes, it was that for years his primary method of income website said he was born in Kenya, plus he brings it up a lot, plus Michelle in speech said they were going to his homeland Kenya, plus he hid the BC at great cost for years, then after he got control of fed the overseas airline records disappeared only for the period he may have been born, etc., etc.”

          The website you are referring to was the bios of authors at the literary agents, and the women who wrote it admitted to making a mistake. Since she did not check with Obama and did not tell him that it was online, he could not fix it. (BTW, he said in 1990, a year before that bio was written, that he was BORN IN HAWAII, and he said in his book in 1995 that HE WAS BORN IN HAWAII, so the notion that he would switch and claim that he was born in Kenya in 1991 is farfetched—to say the least.)

          Re: airline records “missing.” So, Corsi (and ONLY Corsi) alleges.

          However, the US Immigration and Naturalization Service report for the year Obama was born shows that only ONE person total, repeat only one, 1, ONE, came to the USA from Kenya by air. All the rest came by ship, and there were no regular ships from Kenya to Hawaii at the time, making the notion that Obama and his mother took that trip farfetched—to say the least.

          Here is the complete Immigration and Nationalization Services (INS) report for the year that included August 1961:

          http://archive.org/stream/annualreportofim1962unit#page/n4/mode/1up

          Scroll down to page 74, about two-thirds of the way down in the book, and you will find the Kenya arrivals listing—there were only 21 arrivals.

          On page 77, the same report shows the number of people who WENT to Kenya in fiscal 1961, and that shows that only 63 did (of whom 60 were Americans), and that of the 63 not a single person, not one, went by air. They ALL went by ship.

          So, according to birther theory, Obama’s mother, in the last two months of pregnancy at the age of 18, was among the 60 Americans who went to Kenya by sea in fiscal 1961 and one of the seven Americans who came to the USA from Kenya in fiscal 1961, and again she traveled by sea (since no Americans came to the USA from Kenya by air).

          Oh, and the Kenyan government has said that Obama WAS NOT BORN IN KENYA.

          http://washingtonindependent.com/53654/forged

          Re: “Only a ‘divorce.”

          Answer: It is extremely unusual for two people who were not married to go through the trouble and expense of getting a divorce, and BTW, there is the marriage index:

          Figure MM. Printout of Hawaii Department of Health Marriage Index, 1960-1965, showing both of Ann Dunham’s marriages. (Photo taken spring 2011 by a citizen-investigator.)

          Read more: http://www.americanthinker.com/2012/07/were_ann_dunham_and_barack_obama_really_married.html#ixzz3FS6qGF5F

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          • BTW, Obama did not hide his BC at any cost at all, since he showed it way back in June of 2008—five months prior to the election that year. That was the short form Certification of Live Birth, which is, BTW, the official birth certificate of Hawaii. By doing that Obama became the first presidential candidate in US history to publish his birth certificate (Mitt Romney was the second). The short form Certification of Live Birth is, BTW, the official birth certificate and it is accepted as proof of birth in the USA by the US State Department and the branches of the US military. In addition to his short form birth certificate, Obama also showed his long form birth certificate, but the short form was sufficient (BTW, Mitt Romney also showed a short form birth certificate.)

        • Hi Ellen, Do not have the time right now to fully look over your comment, but “However, the US Immigration and Naturalization Service report for the year Obama was born shows that only ONE person total, repeat only one, 1, ONE, came to the USA from Kenya by air. All the rest came by ship, and there were no regular ships from Kenya to Hawaii at the time, making the notion that Obama and his mother took that trip farfetched—to say the least.”

          I do not think Stanley Ann went to Kenya with Sr as mentioned, there are no pics or eyewitnesses that are reliable that indicate they ever met each other until after the “divorce”. Things point to scam marriage, she had a half black child to explain away at 17, he had Visa problems. Such scam marriages are common.

          Reliable witnesses such as Obama Sr.’s best friends at time said they never met Staley and Sr. never mentioned Stanley once. A rather amazing thing, think you will agree. But the Kenya data you supplied has to be totally bogus. Hundreds if not thousands did come here by air from Kenya, Sr.’s flight being one example. It was the age of the 707. American movies were made in Kenya, Safaris for Americans were commonplace, do you think our diplomats and military people and importers spent a month to get there via boats and trains? That data has to be wrong. You make it sound like it was impossible to travel from Hawaii to Kenya, come on, how did Senior and the entire flight of Kenyans get to USA?

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          • Re: “But the Kenya data you supplied has to be totally bogus. ”

            Here it is again:

            Here is the complete Immigration and Nationalization Services (INS) report for the year that included August 1961:

            http://archive.org/stream/annualreportofim1962unit#page/n4/mode/1up

            Scroll down to page 74, about two-thirds of the way down in the book, and you will find the Kenya arrivals listing—there were only 21 arrivals.

            On page 77, the same report shows the number of people who WENT to Kenya in fiscal 1961, and that shows that only 63 did (of whom 60 were Americans), and that of the 63 not a single person, not one, went by air. They ALL went by ship.

            So, according to birther theory, Obama’s mother, in the last two months of pregnancy at the age of 18, was among the 60 Americans who went to Kenya by sea in fiscal 1961 and one of the seven Americans who came to the USA from Kenya in fiscal 1961, and again she traveled by sea (since no Americans came to the USA from Kenya by air).

            As for the question about how did Obama’s father get to Hawaii. He came on a special charter flight for African exchange students and it was in 1959—not 1961.

            Still, you have said that you do not believe that Obama was born in Kenya—so on this we agree.

            However, your reason for it, the allegation that Stanley Ann did not know Obama senior, is farfetched. Their divorce records AND the marriage Index page linked to on the American Thinker site, shows that they were married.

            Re “scam marriage.” The divorce records and the marriage index indicate that they were legally married.

            Re: “It was the age of the 707. ”

            Answer: Some airlines had them, for long flights. But there is a great movie called “Advice and Consent,” made in 1963. In it a senator has to go from Washington to New York on the shuttle plane. You see the plane take off from the Washington airport—and it has propellers.

            There certainly were no direct flights from Kenya to Hawaii, so for that mythical voyage to occur, it would have taken (1) Mombassa to Nairobe; (2) Nairobe to Cairo; (3) Cairo to Teheran; (4) Teheran to New Delhi; (5) New Delhi to Bangkok; (6) Bangkok to Hong Kong; (7) Hong Kong to Tokyo; and (8) Tokyo to Hawaii—and even more legs going the other way around the world. But, as you said, you do not think that Obama’s mother took that trip. I agree. It would have been a stupid thing to take that trip the other way when she was in the last few months of pregnancy because of the risk of stillbirth—and it was expensive and arduous (and there were perfectly good hospitals in Hawaii).

  15. Re use of “birther” being “demonizing people.”

    Back during Prohibition people who were against it were called “wets” for short. People who were for Prohibition were called “drys” for short. Today the short-hand way of saying “people who believe that Obama may have been born in a foreign country or his birth certificate forged or that he is not eligible because he does not have a two citizen parents” (all of which are false by the way) is simply to call them birthers. There is no more name calling involved with using that short word for the long long phrase than using “wets” or “drys. And, BTW, one of the most prominent of birther sites calls itself “The Birther Report.”

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    • Don’t worry about the “birther” term. When proven right, everyone will be claiming to have been a “birther”. Kind of like “I was country before country was cool.”

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  16. ellen or should I call you barack . in any case you spend a lot of time on websites to not be paid for doing so . IMO you are a paid OBAMA SHILL practicing Alinsky tactics . As far as I’m concerned Dana Allen has been way to nice to you being an obama shill . Ellen go back to the rock you came out from under .

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